lenses around 150mm for 5x7

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I've recently picked a 5x7 back for my Sinar p2 and also a sinar shutter. Im looking for a 150mm lens that i will use as a wider lens with my 210mm on 5x7 which is considered a normal lens.

I have done some research and the Schneider 150mm G-Claron f9 process lens is a option depending on how i use it. The Sinar Sinaron ws 150mm f5.6 also. Looking for options. This lens will be interior and studio based. Doing environmental portraits and staged conceptual photography so sometimes deep depth of field with more than one talent in frame.

I will be shooting colour and black and white.

Any ideas and suggestions? As i have the sinar shutter, lenses without a shutter are not a issue.
 
The 210/9 G-Claron is probably too close to your own 210mm :)

With your Sinar autoshutter:

Docter Apo-Germinar 150/9 W (barrel as well as shuttered versions) covers 5x7inch format as does the Rodenstock Apo-Sironar-S 180/5.6 (Copal 1 shutter).

The aperture blades of the G-Claron aren't particularly pleasing for specular highlights. For what you are doing, you could probably mine a much richer field by searching for a Taylor Hobson III series (7 inch+ F.L.) or V series (7 inch+). Goertz Red Dot Artars around 8 1/4 inches cover 5x7 inch (no good for you then) otherwise. Ross (Clapham, London/UK) made wide-angles in 6 to 8 inches at least (around f5.6 which are easier to come across than the above however the flange set is face fronting and the rear element then protrudes, rendering the autoshutter inoperable unless you can work out a way to move the shutter forward in front of the lens.

The widest I can think of, is probably the Georg Leitmeyr (Munchen) Weitwinkel quad meniscus designed wide-angle - 121/8. Never owned it. Mine is only a 90mm version.
 
When using lenses with a protruding rear element with the Sinar copal shutter there are a couple of options I use; 1. use an adapter made by Luland which is basically a spacer made from CNC aluminium. 2. use a bag bellows in-between the front standard with the lens and an intermediate standard with the shutter.
 
The intrepid lens explorer lists by format and by coverage, there are not a lot of options at 150 if you want movements unless you get something large or expensive.
That g-clarion is not going to give you much movement if any and I can only speculate that you need movements to get depth of field.
180 get you more options but closer to your 210 , other options are go down to 120/121?
Alternative and cheap could be some enlarging lens - some of the Schneider are essentially symmars as far as I understand.
 
Maybe a but too wide the 120mm f6.8 Angulon. I have a set of Hexanon f9 process lenses, 150mm, 210mm, & 300mm, the 150mm has huge coverage (10x8),.

While the CZJ 165mm Tessar covers postcard size I poppedmy 165mm f5.3 Tessar on my 10x8 Agfa Ansco camera and ot just covers 7x5 at Infinity, coverage would improve at closer distances.

Ian
 
You should find that most bog standard run-of-the-mill 150mm f/5.6 plasmats (so Symmar, Symmar-S, Sironars and the Fuji and Nikon equivalents) will cover 5x7, and you'll gain a bit more coverage if used for studio/interior stuff compared to infinity. So you might not need anything particularly exotic unless you need something with loads of excess coverage.
 
I agree with @Dave_P, my 150mm Sironar N just covers, the Sironar S would be slightly better. I just tried it with a Half plate back on my Agfa Ansco, with no fresnel it's quite dim towards the edges.

The 150mm G Claron has less coverage than any of the 150mm lenses mentioned above, and won't cover 7x5.

Ian
 
Ian Grant said:
I agree with @Dave_P, my 150mm Sironar N just covers, the Sironar S would be slightly better. I just tried it with a Half plate back on my Agfa Ansco, with no fresnel it's quite dim towards the edges.

The 150mm G Claron has less coverage than any of the 150mm lenses mentioned above, and won't cover 7x5.

Ian
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The official G Claron coverage is known to be very pessimistic, in fact the 150mm is not a million miles off covering 10x8 stopped well down, so 5x7 should be a doddle.
 
~RJ said:
The 210/9 G-Claron is probably too close to your own 210mm :)

With your Sinar autoshutter:

Docter Apo-Germinar 150/9 W (barrel as well as shuttered versions) covers 5x7inch format as does the Rodenstock Apo-Sironar-S 180/5.6 (Copal 1 shutter).

The aperture blades of the G-Claron aren't particularly pleasing for specular highlights. For what you are doing, you could probably mine a much richer field by searching for a Taylor Hobson III series (7 inch+ F.L.) or V series (7 inch+). Goertz Red Dot Artars around 8 1/4 inches cover 5x7 inch (no good for you then) otherwise. Ross (Clapham, London/UK) made wide-angles in 6 to 8 inches at least (around f5.6 which are easier to come across than the above however the flange set is face fronting and the rear element then protrudes, rendering the autoshutter inoperable unless you can work out a way to move the shutter forward in front of the lens.

The widest I can think of, is probably the Georg Leitmeyr (Munchen) Weitwinkel quad meniscus designed wide-angle - 121/8. Never owned it. Mine is only a 90mm version.
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Hey RJ. Thanks for the recommendations. Ive not heard or seen any of the listed so i will have to have a good look. One of the reasons i picked up the sinar shutter was to open the possibilities of using lenses that didnt come with shutters. so many lens designs.

My lenses i have atm which is more tailored for 4x5 are:
*Nikkor sw 90mm f4.5
*Fujinon nw 135mm f5.6
*Nikkor w 210mm f5.6
*Sinar Sinaron S MC 210mm f5.6
 
Nas said:
When using lenses with a protruding rear element with the Sinar copal shutter there are a couple of options I use; 1. use an adapter made by Luland which is basically a spacer made from CNC aluminium. 2. use a bag bellows in-between the front standard with the lens and an intermediate standard with the shutter.
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endless helpful knowledge. I wonder how the spacer works
 
HowLarge said:
The intrepid lens explorer lists by format and by coverage, there are not a lot of options at 150 if you want movements unless you get something large or expensive.
That g-clarion is not going to give you much movement if any and I can only speculate that you need movements to get depth of field.
180 get you more options but closer to your 210 , other options are go down to 120/121?
Alternative and cheap could be some enlarging lens - some of the Schneider are essentially symmars as far as I understand.
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The reason i am looking for a 150mm for 5x7 is that it is the equivalent to 210mm field of view in 8x10 which i will use.

I haven't looked into 120mm lenses tbh.

Are enlarging lenses in the same category as process and projector lenses in that they have a flat field of view compared to pictorial lenses designed to take pictures of say people?
 
Ian Grant said:
Maybe a but too wide the 120mm f6.8 Angulon. I have a set of Hexanon f9 process lenses, 150mm, 210mm, & 300mm, the 150mm has huge coverage (10x8),.

While the CZJ 165mm Tessar covers postcard size I poppedmy 165mm f5.3 Tessar on my 10x8 Agfa Ansco camera and ot just covers 7x5 at Infinity, coverage would improve at closer distances.

Ian
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Ian i've never heard of the hexanon process lenses!! I just looked up the image circle, very impressive. I doubt i will be shooting at infinity as shoots will be indoors.

How does the hexanon lenses render a scene. For example Its micro contrast, out of focus fall off? interesting you have three of the four lenses. you must like how they perform.
 
Dave_P said:
You should find that most bog standard run-of-the-mill 150mm f/5.6 plasmats (so Symmar, Symmar-S, Sironars and the Fuji and Nikon equivalents) will cover 5x7, and you'll gain a bit more coverage if used for studio/interior stuff compared to infinity. So you might not need anything particularly exotic unless you need something with loads of excess coverage.
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I never thought of this. Yes i wont be shooting at infinity. One thing i have noticed is alot of barrel lenses have much more aperture blades with will render the out of focus areas smoother and possibly less busy. I sold my fujinon w 150mm f5.6 to purchase my current 135mm lens.
 
Ian Grant said:
I agree with @Dave_P, my 150mm Sironar N just covers, the Sironar S would be slightly better. I just tried it with a Half plate back on my Agfa Ansco, with no fresnel it's quite dim towards the edges.

The 150mm G Claron has less coverage than any of the 150mm lenses mentioned above, and won't cover 7x5.

Ian
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my Sinar 5x7 back has a fresnel lens fitted from factory. I may have to borrow a lens to test.
 
The Fujinon 125/f8 is a nice lens on 5x4 & 5x7. It almost covers 10x8 at f22. I bought it to use on my Rittreck View 5x7. Fits nicely on a Linhof/Wista lens panel.
 
Soulstar89 said:
my Sinar 5x7 back has a fresnel lens fitted from factory. I may have to borrow a lens to test.
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Switching from the Half plate back to the 10x8 back with its Beattie Intenscreen the 150mm Sironar N was nice and bright, a

Soulstar89 said:
Ian i've never heard of the hexanon process lenses!! I just looked up the image circle, very impressive. I doubt i will be shooting at infinity as shoots will be indoors.

How does the hexanon lenses render a scene. For example Its micro contrast, out of focus fall off? interesting you have three of the four lenses. you must like how they perform.
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I have to admit I've never tried them, as I have far too many lenses of the same focal lengths.

Ian
 
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